tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post5652762930353272348..comments2023-10-24T03:48:03.925-07:00Comments on Pilgrimage: PillarDaniel (Da Pilgrim)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-33754189692247680032010-02-17T13:55:53.616-08:002010-02-17T13:55:53.616-08:00Here's a live clip of the song. Sounds more l...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o" rel="nofollow">Here's a live clip</a> of the song. Sounds more lively than the album version...Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-29209312257079332862010-02-17T13:53:43.502-08:002010-02-17T13:53:43.502-08:00I studied Joe Morello's Take Five solo for a l...I studied Joe Morello's <i>Take Five</i> solo for a long time, Zilch. Odd time signatures and the ability to make them sound smooth / natural is something I strive for.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-66623814619860702172010-02-05T11:46:04.063-08:002010-02-05T11:46:04.063-08:00LOL, sounds interesting.
Cool man,
I love music a...LOL, sounds interesting.<br />Cool man,<br /><br />I love music ay...lots of styles.Daniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-65616239710315492762010-02-05T06:14:06.649-08:002010-02-05T06:14:06.649-08:00Somewhere I still have the LP of Take Five. That ...Somewhere I still have the LP of <i>Take Five</i>. That was a groundbreaking album, especially rhythmically. One of my current musical projects is playing medieval tunes on my psaltery-harp and tweaking them into unusual rhythms, mostly sevens and elevens, with accompaniment in some other rhythm, usually four or twelve. It's not ready for the stage yet, but it's keeping my fingers- and my brain- busy.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-31831424704072483212010-01-26T08:40:24.452-08:002010-01-26T08:40:24.452-08:00Da Pilgrim,
No problem with that at all, mate. Li...Da Pilgrim,<br /><br />No problem with that at all, mate. Like I said in the latest thread, I just think that if you're going to use a buzzword like 'faith' which can be taken many different ways, you need to be careful how you phrase it and, if necessary, provide a quick definition to make sure.<br /><br /><br />By the way, mention Radiohead and Coldplay again in the same breath, as if Radiohead have a <i>Coldplayish</i> sound, and I may have to hurt somebody.....<br /><br />[big Radiohead fan here!]ExPatMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08666078524214384329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-54711751225522214562010-01-25T21:01:11.672-08:002010-01-25T21:01:11.672-08:00Stan,
Yeah I think I misunderstood ya :)
I person...Stan,<br /><br />Yeah I think I misunderstood ya :)<br />I personally like clear lyrics but then people like Jars of clay are good for keeping you wondering sometimes. I actually don't like that good monsters song but I gave it as an illustration.<br /><br />So you like Jazz? Not my favourite type although I can appreciate all music depending on the moment, though I recognize it is a skillful genre and is fun to play (I went to grade 6 piano). I even quite like some classical, opera, ska and reggae..not so much rap although Pillar is an exception, they seem to be rap/hard rock.<br /><br />I listen tested "Tool: "Forty-Six and Two"" but for me the chorus sounded the best :) almost like "Creed" a bit?<br />However the first bit I did not like the imbalance between the singer and the music.<br /><br />Also listen tested this one:<br />Radiohead: "Go to Sleep".<br />I don't know what the songs were about but the music sound I liked...very similar to Jars of Clay's new album or Coldplay type sound. <br /><br />Matt,<br /><br /><i>I've replaced the word 'faith' with your definition of it. Read that sentence again and you'll see why I'm having trouble understanding what your problem is with accepting evolution!</i><br /><br />Well, faith is also a choice. <br />If I walk along a track and it splits into two paths. One path has some evidence for it being the right way and the other path also has evidence of it being the right way to go.<br />One way needs to be chosen. <br />You can see the evidence for macro-evolution and you choose to accept it as true. I am still unsure and need more evidence (or effort to look for more evidence) to convince me to have faith that it is the right path of belief to take. <br /><br />I realize you do not accept evolution just because you accept evolution but some people accept some truths (with evidence) faster (or slower) than others.<br /><br />Does that help?Daniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-51202057152027863022010-01-25T08:28:10.673-08:002010-01-25T08:28:10.673-08:00Da Pilgrim,
On you calling our acceptance of evol...Da Pilgrim,<br /><br />On you calling our acceptance of evolution as being based on faith (where you've defined faith as being a reasonable conclusion base don evidence), you said;<br /><br /><i>"I do not deny that there is evidence for everything having common ancestor/ancestors but to actually gather together the evidence and state a belief in it as being true as a whole is a logical deduction based on the available evidence."</i><br /><br />I've replaced the word 'faith' with your definition of it. Read that sentence again and you'll see why I'm having trouble understanding what your problem is with accepting evolution!<br /><br />Anyway, as you said, we'll leave it for another post.<br /><br />Cheers,ExPatMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08666078524214384329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-40500933642685887672010-01-24T11:23:19.096-08:002010-01-24T11:23:19.096-08:00Funny, so it is the lyrics that you hate about chr...<i>Funny, so it is the lyrics that you hate about christian music?</i><br /><br />No, it's the way the lyrics are so prominent (in general). If you took from my description of Christian music that I dislike it because of its lyrical <i>content</i>, then you didn't get what I was saying. It's the unspoken 'requirement' of Christian music that its lyrics be easily understood that I dislike -- I like not only good lyrics, but good music, and the levels (sound levels, that is) need to be appropriate, which does <i>not</i> necessarily mean the lyrics should drown out all other aspects of the song.<br /><br /><i>By way of mention Pillar's music has been requested by secular audiences so it cannot suck too much for being "christian".</i><br /><br />Uhh. No. Garth Brooks has been requested in many bars, but it still sucks. The popularity of a particular band and/or genre says nothing to whether or not I think it sucks... The Jonas Brothers have been requested by children quite often, but they suck, too...<br /><br /><i>I do not agree with you that a song needs to have complex lyrics before it is good.</i><br /><br />Again you've misunderstood; lyrics needn't be complex. It's the way Christian music makes their lyrics so completely understandable -- by causing them to generally drown out the music -- that typically ruins it. <i>Louie, Louie</i> is a song with immensely simple lyrics, yet it kicks ass.<br /><br /><i>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfxNDc8baE0</i><br /><br />That video is no longer online due to an objection by Sony... I looked it up, though, and I wasn't especially impressed. I <i>have</i> enjoyed <i>Jars of Clay</i> songs in the past, however, and few bands can produce all 'winners.'<br /><br />Here, then, are two bands who apparently <i>can</i> produce all 'winners':<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A" rel="nofollow"><i>Tool</i>: "Forty-Six and Two"</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTzfdgAIX5I" rel="nofollow"><i>Radiohead</i>: "Go to Sleep"</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57FtD2HKLw&feature=related" rel="nofollow"><i>Tool</i>: "Eulogy"</a> (warning, some explicit lyrics)<br /><br /><br />Lastly, as another two examples of true quality in music, I offer the following:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o" rel="nofollow"><i>Dave Brubeck Quartet</i>: "Take Five"</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc34Uj8wlmE" rel="nofollow"><i>Dave Brubeck Quartet</i>: "Blue Rondo à la Turk"</a><br /><br /><br />If you hadn't noticed, the first <i>Tool</i> piece and the two <i>Brubeck</i> pieces each feature odd time signatures -- 7/8, 5/4, and 9/8, respectively -- which is something which very much captures my musical interest. All of these offerings feature 'syncopation,' which is forbidden according to the Fundamental Evangelistic Association...<br /><br /><br />They're also all very good examples of quality music (in my not-so-humble opinion).<br /><br />--<br />StanStan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-39702827438341128542010-01-24T00:32:23.039-08:002010-01-24T00:32:23.039-08:00From wiki about some Pillar songs being popular ou...From wiki about some Pillar songs being popular outside christianity:<br /><br /><i>Not only did Christian shows and stations play "Bring Me Down", it was requested heavily on secular stations as well. "Bring Me Down" was also featured on the sound track for Mx vs ATV: Unleashed.</i><br /><br />and<br /><br /><i>ESPN used the new Pillar song, "For the Love of the Game," during montages highlighting the 2007 World Series on its program, Baseball Tonight.</i><br /><br />just a point of interest...Daniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-24081338625871333242010-01-23T21:28:25.580-08:002010-01-23T21:28:25.580-08:00EPM,
Could you please enlighten us 'slow'...EPM,<br /><br /><i><br />Could you please enlighten us 'slow' atheists as to where the boundary of micro-evolution lies? How far does micro-evolution extend before it becomes macro-evolution (something you consider highly unlikely, apparently). Not that your highly scientific explanation ("give or take more or less") wasn't enough, it's just that I'm a bit slow with these things. Maybe a new blog post on this would be appropriate?</i><br /><br />maybe an new blog post would help but another time maybe.<br />Basically macro evolution involves the past and micro is more observable.<br /><br /><i>It's funny that you say;<br /><br />"Yes, many dotted lines need to be filled in when it comes to believing man's ancestors are fish (or similar)...it takes an amount of faith to believe it.<br /><br />People like Nohm/EPM choose to put faith in it"<br /><br />When your definition of faith is;<br /><br />"A logical deduction from the evidence at hand."<br /><br />Don't you think?</i><br /><br />Um no?<br />I do not deny that there is evidence for everything having common ancestor/ancestors but to actually gather together the evidence and state a belief in it as being true as a whole is faith.<br /><br />DanDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-39879895837377082862010-01-23T21:22:43.443-08:002010-01-23T21:22:43.443-08:00Stan,
As a general result of this, then, the limi...Stan,<br /><br /><i>As a general result of this, then, the limitations placed on Christian music make it generally suck. Pillar is no exception.</i><br /><br />Funny, so it is the lyrics that you hate about christian music?<br />By way of mention Pillar's music has been requested by secular audiences so it cannot suck too much for being "christian".<br /><br /><i>(Side note: Jars of Clay is typically better than most Christian music -- perhaps because their acoustic sound is more conducive to understanding the lyrics -- and although I dislike their 'message,' their music is generally tolerable.)</i><br /><br />Quite true. Jars of clay would be a christian band that I would point to where their lyrics are hard to follow but I do not agree with you that a song needs to have complex lyrics before it is good.<br /><br />Here is a song that makes you think:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfxNDc8baE0<br />and the lyrics are here:<br /><br /><b>6. Good Monsters<br />All the good monsters open their eyes,<br />To see the wasteland where the home fires rise,<br />And the people shouting why, why, why...<br />Do you know what you are?<br />Do you know what you are?<br /><br />All of the giants wake from their sleep,<br />And roll outside of safety's keep,<br />And the pain makes them feel so alive<br /><br />Do you know what you are?<br />Do you know what you are?<br /><br />And we are bored of all the things we know<br />Do you know what you are?<br />Do you know what you are?<br /><br />Not all monsters are bad, but the ones who are good<br />Never do what they could, never do what they could<br /><br />All the good monsters rattle their chains,<br />And dance around the open flames,<br />And they make a lot of empty noise.<br /><br />While all of the bright eyes turn away,<br />As if there wasn't anything to say,<br />About the justice and the mystery.<br />Do you know what you are?<br />Do you know what you are?<br /><br />And we are bored of all the things we know<br />And we are forms of everything we love, we love.<br /><br />If good won't show it's ugly face,<br />Evil won't you take your place<br />Nothing ever changes,<br />Nothing ever changes...<br />By itself.<br /><br />Yeah....yeah...aaah<br /><br />We are bored of all the things we know<br />Do you know what you are<br />'Cause we are, we are so in love with ourselves<br />And we are forms of all the things we love.</b>Daniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-33775568219357023952010-01-23T11:17:53.912-08:002010-01-23T11:17:53.912-08:00Da Pilgrim,
"Micro-evolution (slight change ...Da Pilgrim,<br /><br /><i>"Micro-evolution (slight change in species...give or take more or less) is a fact and would require someone silly to doubt it...but macro evolution or even further - evolution from slime on rocks (or similar) is what you are talking about I assume."</i><br /><br />Could you please enlighten us 'slow' atheists as to where the boundary of micro-evolution lies? How far does micro-evolution extend before it becomes macro-evolution (something you consider highly unlikely, apparently). Not that your highly scientific explanation (<i>"give or take more or less"</i>) wasn't enough, it's just that I'm a bit slow with these things. Maybe a new blog post on this would be appropriate?<br /><br />It's funny that you say;<br /><br /><i>"Yes, many dotted lines need to be filled in when it comes to believing man's ancestors are fish (or similar)...it takes an amount of faith to believe it.<br /><br />People like Nohm/EPM choose to put faith in it"</i><br /><br />When your definition of faith is;<br /><br /><i>"A logical deduction from the evidence at hand."</i><br /><br />Don't you think?<br /><br />Cheers,ExPatMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08666078524214384329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-47713714729843491292010-01-23T10:44:52.732-08:002010-01-23T10:44:52.732-08:00Back to the music, I listened to the three songs (...Back to the music, I listened to the three songs (finally), and I was not disappointed. They were Christian 'rock' songs. A key feature, I've found, of Christian 'rock' is that the lyrics are almost always very easy to identify.<br /><br />Why? Because the music is marketed not just to the actual listener (as is the case with non-religious music), but also to the parents and other hierarchy of the religion in general. In the case of non-religious music, the artist is not constrained to adhering to the particular tastes or sensibilities of a particular group, and as an indirect result, in many cases the lyrics are more difficult to understand.<br /><br />In Christian music, however, I challenge you to discover a Christian artist who doesn't provide printed lyrics to every song, and I likewise challenge you to find a Christian artist whose lyrics are difficult to understand. Christian music veritably <i>requires</i> simple-to-understand lyrics, so that the powers-that-be can verify that they are actually 'on-message,' and not controversial or otherwise 'off-message.' As a general result of <i>this</i>, then, the limitations placed on Christian music make it generally suck. <i>Pillar</i> is no exception.<br /><br />(Side note: <i>Jars of Clay</i> is typically better than most Christian music -- perhaps because their acoustic sound is more conducive to understanding the lyrics -- and although I dislike their 'message,' their music is generally tolerable.)<br /><br />--<br />StanStan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-44259901078113904822010-01-23T10:44:33.975-08:002010-01-23T10:44:33.975-08:00Hiker Boy said:
I have constantly wondered how mu...Hiker Boy said:<br /><br /><i>I have constantly wondered how much faith atheists have in an "unproven" idea as evolution...</i><br /><br />To which DP replied:<br /><br /><i>You nailed a point home, although some of these atheists are a little slow in understanding where Christians like us come from.</i><br /><br />Yet the only point I see 'nailed home' is the fact that you people have a penchant for missing the point. Evolution is a scientific theory, just like gravity, quantum mechanics, cell theory, relativity, etc. <b>None</b> of these is 'proven,' and indeed it is a defining characteristic of a theory that it <i>cannot</i> be proven.<br /><br />So we're not "slow in understanding where Christians like [you] come from," but rather we are tired of the constant face-palm that results from recognizing "where Christians like [you] come from." You come from a magical place where facts need not match up with reality.<br /><br />Hiker Boy also seemed to be under the impression that placing one scientific theory into the same category as other scientific theories is somehow disallowed, in spite of the fact that they are all scientific theories, and as such they have <i>already been</i> placed into the same category:<br /><br /><i>[Y]ou can't put evolution in the same group as gravity, relativity, etc.</i><br /><br />Simply put, we have observed evolution (you would apparently say, "micro" evolution), and predictions borne out of evolutionary theory have held. This is exactly the same as observations made, say, with respect to relativity. We have observed relativistic phenomena, and predictions borne out of the theory of relativity have held.<br /><br />The case of gravity is a bit different, however. In the case of gravity -- often referred to as the 'Law of Gravity' -- we have found that it <i>doesn't</i> hold, and that it is in fact false. What it remains, however, is a useful fiction; using the Newtonian concept of gravity, we can get to the moon and back, even if it is ultimately recognized as being wrong.<br /><br />You see, the theory of evolution is far more supported by evidence than Newton's theory of universal gravitation. Yet, for one reason or another, you guys don't cry about teaching students -- from primary school straight through to university -- Newtonian mechanics. Indeed, most non-science majors never encounter the fact that gravity is only weakly understood, and even science majors may escape the difficult courses which explore relativistic/quantum models of gravity.<br /><br />Why do you not cry about the teaching of gravity?Stan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-53654810286990071662010-01-22T19:34:16.386-08:002010-01-22T19:34:16.386-08:00Hiker Boy,
I have constantly wondered how much fa...Hiker Boy,<br /><br /><i>I have constantly wondered how much faith atheists have in an "unproven" idea as evolution </i><br /><br />You nailed a point home, although some of these atheists are a little slow in understanding where Christians like us come from. We need to define terms and what is exactly meant by evolution.<br /><br />Micro-evolution (slight change in species...give or take more or less) is a fact and would require someone silly to doubt it...but macro evolution or even further - evolution from slime on rocks (or similar) is what you are talking about I assume.<br /><br />Yes, many dotted lines need to be filled in when it comes to believing man's ancestors are fish (or similar)...it takes an amount of faith to believe it.<br /><br />People like Nohm/EPM choose to put faith in it (I assume and from my knowledge/understanding of their stance).<br /><br /><i>Pillar Rocks on the ROCK OF AGES.</i><br /><br />Quite agree :)<br /><br />DPDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-35965195958618771782010-01-22T18:07:27.245-08:002010-01-22T18:07:27.245-08:00"First of all, you can't put evolution in..."<i>First of all, you can't put evolution in the same group as gravity, relativity, etc.</i>"<br /><br />Why not? Please explain <b>in detail</b>, using the correct nomenclature, why it isn't.<br /><br />"<i>I have constantly wondered how much faith atheists have in an "unproven" idea as evolution</i>"<br /><br />Ok, then I'll help you out to stop the wondering: the answer is "none".<br /><br />Again, all theories are unproven. Since you seemed to miss the point of the joke and focused on alcohol, I'll try again:<br /><br /><b>Proofs only exist in math.</b><br /><br />Therefore, calling a scientific theory "unproven" is just silly. Do you get it now? Or are you one of *those people* who think that once a theory is proven it becomes a law? Because that would be my guess, but I would be happy to be shown to be wrong about that.<br /><br />"<i>and not except</i> [sic] <i>the fact that it is your religion.</i>"<br /><br />Sigh. "Evolution" is not my, ExPatMatt's, or anyone's religion. Calling it a religion makes absolutely no sense. And please stop trying to read other people's minds, especially because you're absolutely awful at it.<br /><br />"<i>Now I know. It's the alcohol.</i>"<br /><br />The straight-edge atheists might disagree with you there.<br /><br />I'm sober, by the way.Nohmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04810408271483617763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-35214928047618963972010-01-22T13:20:12.169-08:002010-01-22T13:20:12.169-08:00Once again, Hiker Boy provides absolutely nothing ...Once again, Hiker Boy provides absolutely nothing of value to the discussion.<br /><br />Run along, boy, the grown-ups are talking.ExPatMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08666078524214384329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-82104588528358040272010-01-22T13:14:17.726-08:002010-01-22T13:14:17.726-08:00Da Pilgrim,
Pillar Rocks on the ROCK OF AGES.Da Pilgrim,<br /><br />Pillar Rocks on the ROCK OF AGES.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648017997975589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-29750827493406233272010-01-22T13:11:53.734-08:002010-01-22T13:11:53.734-08:00Fortunately, it's not what you think it is, an...<i>Fortunately, it's not what you think it is, and calling any scientific theory, such as gravity or evolution, "unproven" is just redundant.<br /><br />First of all, you can't put evolution in the same group as gravity, relativity, etc. <br /><br />Proof only exists in math and alcohol.</i><br /><br />I have constantly wondered how much faith atheists have in an "unproven" idea as evolution and not except the fact that it is your religion. Now I know. It's the alcohol. Thanks for the clarification.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648017997975589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-24285541209537418002010-01-22T13:03:41.042-08:002010-01-22T13:03:41.042-08:00"How did evolution find its way into this thr...<i>"How did evolution find its way into this thread?</i><br /><br />I see the reason that I don't come around here much is still here. It continually amazes me how you guys don't read what's posted before making idiotic statements.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648017997975589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-58479129460397836482010-01-22T10:34:42.077-08:002010-01-22T10:34:42.077-08:00This thread is bizarre. Are we going to cover back...<i>This thread is bizarre. Are we going to cover back-masking next?</i><br /><br />This thread was mainly about a particular band I liked :)<br />But instead people are picking on little details of statements I make and then blowing them up into big balloons.<br /><br />Any actually like the "music"?<br /><br /><i>If you wish to make a case that the 'message' of the lyrics gets through subconsciously even if the lyrics themselves are not consciously recognized, that would be a different subject, but yes, the context is important.</i><br /><br />FUNNY! I think this must be one of the few times when we agree on something.Daniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-43064078664155876202010-01-22T10:29:35.420-08:002010-01-22T10:29:35.420-08:00Secular means hiding of any religious view from my...Secular means hiding of any religious view from my understanding.<br /><br /><i>That's not to say that it often contains content that is specifically anti-Christian</i><br /><br />Ever seen a Marilyn Manson concert?<br /><br /><i>but then anything that's not glorifying God is against God, right? </i><br /><br />Where did you get that from? I am guessing you are getting it from my stance that you atheists are against God.<br />When I say that I am talking about the way we live our lives and whether they are devoted to Him or not. <br />There are many songs that don't talk about God but will glorify God in a different way.<br /><br /><i>So from your perspective I'm sure it seems like 'secular' music is anti-God.</i><br /><br />Where did I say that?<br />I mean simply that a lot of hard rockers are anti God and/or depressed, demonic.<br /><br /><i>I would suggest that if you don't like hard rock, you shouldn't listen to it. I don't listen to Christian rock for the same reason.</i><br /><br />I like hard rock as a style as made obvious by this post but I would not listen to all stuff because of the content of a lot of bands. If someone has a name such as incubus in jest or not, I wonder what state their mind is in to even choose such a name?<br /><br />Stan,<br /><br /><i>just because you expect non-Christian music to be anti-Christian does not mean it actually is</i><br /><br />Once again, where did I say that?<br />I like some of U2's music and they aren't what I would call christian.<br /><br /><i>Really, why aren't you showing concern for far worse lyrical content, such as the degrading lyrics of various rap artists, the calls to violence by groups such as Rage Against the Machine,</i><br /><br />Because this post is not about rap. <br />MM is shocker....I heard he sang about killing his mum or similar.<br /><br /><i><br />Whatever your musical taste, I'd actually much prefer discussing "Under god" and its place on U.S. currency or in the U.S. pledge of allegiance, and whether or not it is appropriate to have children pledge their allegiance.</i><br /><br />I actually don't know much about how your country is run but I agree with Pillar that we need to get back to the days of old when it was in God that people trusted more.Daniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-73773843045791455252010-01-22T08:47:14.282-08:002010-01-22T08:47:14.282-08:00Incidentally, what I found weird about your view o...Incidentally, what I found weird about your view of the world is that you implied the word "secular" is the opposite of "Christian". I suppose this kind of thinking is popular in contemporary Christianity, but it is nevertheless completely false.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-82672463530952819242010-01-22T08:42:02.014-08:002010-01-22T08:42:02.014-08:00Me: "Kill yourself" is secular?
You'...Me: <i>"Kill yourself" is secular?<br /><br />You've got a weird view of the world, DP...</i><br /><br />DP: <b>How about non-religious/non-christian? is that a better term that you would agree with?</b><br /><br />"Non-Christian" is the perfect phrase, yes.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-50686181764859351202010-01-22T08:34:31.630-08:002010-01-22T08:34:31.630-08:00How did evolution find its way into this thread?
...How did evolution find its way into this thread?<br /><br />Da Pilgrim,<br /><br />Yes, non-Christian music generally contains content that is not pro-Christian. <br /><br />That's not to say that it often contains content that is specifically <i>anti</i>-Christian; but then anything that's not glorifying God is against God, right? So from your perspective I'm sure it seems like 'secular' music is anti-God.<br /><br />I would suggest that if you don't like hard rock, you shouldn't listen to it. I don't listen to Christian rock for the same reason.<br /><br />Cheers,ExPatMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08666078524214384329noreply@blogger.com