tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post3080568718142957780..comments2023-10-24T03:48:03.925-07:00Comments on Pilgrimage: Atheism as unscientific?Daniel (Da Pilgrim)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-86156105008269533002009-07-30T09:16:37.901-07:002009-07-30T09:16:37.901-07:00No Doubt,
Can you give an example of someone insu...No Doubt,<br /><br />Can you give an example of someone insulting your culture?<br /><br />Thanks.ExPatMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08666078524214384329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-39208591181831056042009-07-30T01:03:38.676-07:002009-07-30T01:03:38.676-07:00Keith,
It is alright that you post the link. I ag...Keith,<br /><br />It is alright that you post the link. I agree with what you wrote...Christianity is based on faith WITH evidence not blind faith.<br /><br />Baruch ata Keith!<br />V'Baruach Ha Shem!<br /><br />See you at the gate :)<br /><br />DanDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-66465227837810894002009-07-29T18:01:06.700-07:002009-07-29T18:01:06.700-07:00Hey Dan,
Thanks again for your blog. The past two...Hey Dan,<br /><br />Thanks again for your blog. The past two entries have inspired me to create another blog.<br /><br />Perceptions From Beyond Time and Space <br /><br />in addition to <br /><br />Discussions From Beyond Time and Space.<br /><br />I referenced your "Fine Tuning of the Universe" blogs as example in my first entry. Please look at it and tell me if you wish me to remove it. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I don't have your email or I would have contacted you that way. Here is the link. Please check it out quickly so I can remove the reference if you so desire.<br /><br />http://time-space-perceptions.blogspot.com/2009/07/atheism-act-of-faith.html<br /><br />Thanks Again.<br /><br />Meet you at the southern gate.<br /><br />KeithKeithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-17330222795134705532009-07-29T17:53:40.041-07:002009-07-29T17:53:40.041-07:00G.E.
"I do not think belief is necessarily a...G.E.<br /><br />"I do not think belief is necessarily action."<br /><br />In this context I am talking about atheism vs Christian theism.<br />How is belief in this context not necessarily action?<br />You either believe/live/act/do/ in the present tense about God and His Word to us or you believe/act/live/do as if He is not real thus stating your own faith.<br /><br />cheers,<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-6066975505855879022009-07-29T16:55:54.123-07:002009-07-29T16:55:54.123-07:00Sorry No Doubt,
You got a bunch of guys who are u...Sorry No Doubt,<br /><br />You got a bunch of guys who are used to front and direct arguing, and who have little if any patience with nonsense. We do that among ourselves. Once you get used to it you stop taking offense.<br /><br />Also, see the other side of the story. You love attacking people who do not agree with you. When you get the same in return you act all surprised. What do you expect?<br /><br />---<br /><br />Oh, yes Born a Second Time, take a look at the "fine tuning" thread. It is lots of fun.<br /><br />G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-35215956403863781012009-07-29T15:58:22.771-07:002009-07-29T15:58:22.771-07:00Born A Second Time,
"It's amazing how mu...Born A Second Time,<br /><br />"It's amazing how much the non-believers will hide behind science to defend their beliefs, but when they get called on it they retreat behind their empty philosophies."<br /><br />My friend, I could not have said it better myself. May I add that they deny resources when you don't agree with them or claim that they are unreliable. They also use parts of a definition that agrees with their argument while ignoring the others. And of course my personal favorite, they begin to insult your culture or person when you claim their side is out and out wrong. When you call them on their prejudice, they actually appear to get offended.<br /><br />A great example of this is Da Bomb's recent entry on the fine tuning of universe. Check it out, it's an enjoyable read and expose into the psyche of the atheist.<br /><br />BTW, Daniel, I agree with "Born a second time". Keep it up, you're doing well.<br /><br />Shalom Aleichem, My BrotherKeithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-16961547862266200202009-07-29T08:33:11.649-07:002009-07-29T08:33:11.649-07:00When something has an effect on something else it ...<i>When something has an effect on something else it is said to </i>affect<i> it. Not to </i>effect<i> it.</i> <br /><br />I cannot help myself... GE is <i>effecting</i> change in DB's vocabulary.<br /><br />--<br />StanStan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-21184605538233681432009-07-29T06:06:05.153-07:002009-07-29T06:06:05.153-07:00I also never said beliefs don't shape the pers...I also never said beliefs don't shape the person. I said they are just ideas. An idea can shape a person. Ideas very much shape a person. <br /><br />Look at proposition 8 in California. People are keeping other people from marrying their loved ones and sharing the same benefits as everyone else, because of ideas. When I was a christian, I thought this type of thing was wrong. As a christian I thought, how can we judge someone else, it is not our place. We can only show others our love.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-54831855244108528982009-07-29T05:58:58.692-07:002009-07-29T05:58:58.692-07:00I use "dirty words" ever now then, so I ...I use "dirty words" ever now then, so I put the warning on there for people who are easily offended. The "dirty words" are rarely in my critiques though.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-19915001666518225992009-07-29T05:45:00.296-07:002009-07-29T05:45:00.296-07:00Da Bomb,
I have a problem. Suppose God appeared t...Da Bomb,<br /><br />I have a problem. Suppose God appeared to me and told me:<br /><br />Disobey this command!<br /><br />What should I do? Should I obey or not? :-)<br /><br />G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-56902683193184299242009-07-29T05:42:00.658-07:002009-07-29T05:42:00.658-07:00DB,
Well, then here the metaphor breaks down. A g...DB,<br /><br />Well, then here the metaphor breaks down. A general is plausible. Something that is reasonable to believe.<br /><br />I do not think belief is necessarily action. As of Lewis, man, what can I tell you:<br /><br />Now that I am an atheist I do not have moods in which the whole thing looks very improbable: but when I was a Christian I had moods in which Christianity looked terribly improbable.<br /><br />I cannot even imagine what Lewis is saying as making any sense. Christians believe in a being that nobody can see. Nobody can have a conversation with, nobody can anything. You have to just believe it ... Nope, not making sense. That there is rather nothing such as God, that makes sense.<br /><br />It is exactly like the emperor's new clothes. The equivalent by Lewis would be:<br /><br />Now that I am a Cloth Seer I do not have moods in which the whole thing looks very improbable: but when I was an aclothist I had moods in which Cloth Seeing looked terribly probable.<br /><br />G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-25824637463048214482009-07-28T22:20:07.623-07:002009-07-28T22:20:07.623-07:00Sorry BathTub,
I meant BeamStalk. :)
Apologies.
...Sorry BathTub,<br /><br />I meant BeamStalk. :)<br /><br />Apologies.<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-83149260553167443592009-07-28T22:18:37.459-07:002009-07-28T22:18:37.459-07:00Hey G.E.
But what if all the fellow soldiers are ...Hey G.E.<br /><br />But what if all the fellow soldiers are telling you what a general is telling you to do yet you choose not to believe in Him :) Because you don't believe in Him does not mean there will not be consequences. <br /><br />Belief is not just belief but action. Walk the talk.<br />It especially is interesting when what you believe..."so far no god" is also (by action) taken in faith as well. We both cannot "see" absolutely scientifically the origin of the universe but we both live our lives from different beliefs about the origin of our universe.<br /><br />"I know. I was there once."<br /><br />There are others who have an opposite story. Lewis says "Now that I am a Christian I do not have moods in which the whole thing looks very improbable: but when I was an atheist I had moods in which Christianity looked terribly probable."<br /><br />J.R.R. Tolkien (who was catholic) apparently influenced his conversion.<br /><br />cheers,<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-74008273916417783682009-07-28T17:41:10.881-07:002009-07-28T17:41:10.881-07:00It's amazing how far some of us go to ignore s...<i>It's amazing how far some of us go to ignore something if we don't want it to be true.</i><br /><br />It is amazing indeed. I would say that most creationists go lengths ignoring the reasons provided by atheists because they do not want to accept the possibility of not believing. The possibility that your belief is not evident whatsoever. I know. I was there once.<br /><br />G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-70114457567947126352009-07-28T17:37:06.725-07:002009-07-28T17:37:06.725-07:00I guess that puts your God into the meaningless li...I guess that puts your God into the meaningless list for an atheist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-73811170948696735672009-07-28T17:35:37.109-07:002009-07-28T17:35:37.109-07:00Da Bomb,
This assumes that I can hear such genera...Da Bomb,<br /><br />This assumes that I can hear such general and I just pretend it does not exist. You know quite well that your God has to be taken out of faith. If a general existed, and I were deaf and blind. And the general asks me something and I do not obey, other soldiers cannot claim that I am "against" the general. All you could claim is that I can't hear and can't see the general.<br /><br />So, I might be acting ignoring the general, but not against the general.<br /><br />G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-6041924373900841652009-07-28T17:32:57.351-07:002009-07-28T17:32:57.351-07:00EPM,
It is hard to argue against different atheis...EPM,<br /><br />It is hard to argue against different atheists with different views. so I try and take the most common thread.<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-65289210095123708522009-07-28T17:32:14.931-07:002009-07-28T17:32:14.931-07:00Yeah you keep ignoring my point that God could sim...Yeah you keep ignoring my point that God could simply present each person with the appropriate amount of evidence they need to be convinced. Besides if you are not aware I grew up in the church for 20ish years I did plenty of searching. <br /><br />I don't have a blog currently, only a livejournal which shouldn't have any warnings on it. Are you getting me confused with someone else?BathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-84112994336570713502009-07-28T17:32:01.689-07:002009-07-28T17:32:01.689-07:00Beamstalk,
"Beliefs are just ideas you hold....Beamstalk,<br /><br />"Beliefs are just ideas you hold. Knowledge is what can be studied and falsified. I make no claim to the knowledge of a god or gods."<br /><br />I make no claim to the non-existance of a Designer who cares about you. Beliefs are not just what you say but what you DO.<br />Walk the talk man.<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-76951143295423234322009-07-28T17:29:46.673-07:002009-07-28T17:29:46.673-07:00G.E.
"Sorry to having to point this out, but...G.E.<br /><br />"Sorry to having to point this out, but you cannot be "against" something that you do not believe to exist."<br /><br />Yes it may be true of other meaningless things (like tossing a coin), but with God it is different. <br />Imagine God as a general who is telling you to go to battle and you say you don't know if He is real?<br />Do you think the general will have gone away? Are you ACTING for or against the generals wishes?<br /><br />cheers,<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-75164320437218733542009-07-28T17:25:57.723-07:002009-07-28T17:25:57.723-07:00BathTub,
"My point was the this all powerful...BathTub,<br /><br />"My point was the this all powerful God could easily provide each individual person with the exact amount of evidence they each needed to believe in the correct religion".<br /><br />If you keep looking sincerely, you will find Him...if you want to find Him. It's amazing how far some of us go to ignore something if we don't want it to be true.<br />Is your blog safe? It has a adult content warning on it?<br /><br />DBDaniel (Da Pilgrim)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17590499058101108349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-41669034993686234852009-07-28T16:41:11.815-07:002009-07-28T16:41:11.815-07:00lol classic 'Oh no look at the angry atheist! ...lol classic 'Oh no look at the angry atheist! Why won't they let me misrepresent them in peace!'<br /><br />Da Bomb the complete absence of evidence that we have for a personal intervening God might be enough for some, but it's clearly not enough to all. My point was the this all powerful God could easily provide each individual person with the exact amount of evidence they each needed to believe in the correct religion.BathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-43160316831681017012009-07-28T16:10:09.394-07:002009-07-28T16:10:09.394-07:00Dear born a second time,
Who is %*^%$^&&$...Dear born a second time,<br /><br />Who is %*^%$^&&$#%#@^W^#$@%%%$!!! angry!<br /><br />G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-60836923751476635162009-07-28T16:06:53.009-07:002009-07-28T16:06:53.009-07:00Born a second time,
I am not angry. DB has basi...Born a second time, <br /><br />I am not angry. DB has basically just said all atheists are strong atheists or gnostic atheists. This is a straw man. The term atheist/theist deals with belief. While Gnostic/Agnostic deals with knowledge. I am a weak atheist or agnostic atheist. I don't believe there is a god but I do not claim to know that there isn't a god. I actually believe it is impossible to know or not know the existence of a god.<br /><br />Beliefs are just ideas you hold. Knowledge is what can be studied and falsified. I make no claim to the knowledge of a god or gods.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5300869586016541037.post-61018516845884268942009-07-28T11:42:58.273-07:002009-07-28T11:42:58.273-07:00Wow, this is a great blog you have here - but why ...Wow, this is a great blog you have here - but why are the atheists so angry?<br /><br />It's amazing how much the non-believers will hide behind science to defend their beliefs, but when they get called on it they retrat behind their empty philosophies.<br /><br />I don't have the faith to be an atheists!<br /><br />Keep up the good work brother.born a second timehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972331679853088064noreply@blogger.com